Realization that martyrdom sentiment you brought here and in your previous articles might actually be the case sends cold shivers down my spine. But the more I think about it and the more I talk with people from that region, the more I realize that they are totally capable of this kind of thinking and action. Absolutely soul crushing per…
Realization that martyrdom sentiment you brought here and in your previous articles might actually be the case sends cold shivers down my spine. But the more I think about it and the more I talk with people from that region, the more I realize that they are totally capable of this kind of thinking and action. Absolutely soul crushing perpective.
What makes you think Russia and China are down with the martyrdom plan? Especially considering that Iran covertly triggered the attack. This does not seem like a solution. The human lives cost is unimaginable.
To be honest... I can't use this as an analysis... But my personal opinion is that we are witnessing a giant chicken game between the East and the West. And that the East (Russia and China) is counting on a withdrawal of the United States from places they occupy worldwide to avoid a global disaster. And I also believe that this can go seriously wrong.
I do not support everything BRICS does. One need to keep it's own head working.
Exactly, it is in the interests of the rising powers to maintain peace. For the falling power its interests are in war before it is too weak, or as a murder suicider take everything down with it if it cant be in control.
Your analysis makes a lot of sense, Aleks. But from humanitarian point of view I sincerely hope that the East has some other plan in this game. There should be people in each block who realize that this is not the way forward.
You just need to rise above the atheist materialist sentiment and you too will realize that Man is not an animal or an individual but a creature meant to be part of something bigger. Self-sacrifice, including martyrdom but also in it's lesser forms, is a normal and natural part of human life that is actually what enables us to be where we are today. Civilization is impossible without "turning the other cheek". And civilized peoples fight through martyrdom! (Savages fight by ambushing their opponents thereby creating the possibility of not suffering any casualties whereas civilized folk fight in formations which guarrantie some casualties on your own side - and also necessitates that somebody take the front row where it's virtually certain they will get killed or wounded. This is impossible to pull off without a culture of martyrdom.)
> What makes you think Russia and China are down with the martyrdom plan?
Because the people who will do the dying are OK with the plan? That plus participation in the culture of martyrdom which is an obligatory prerequisite for civilization - as hinted above.
I agree that there is a notion of self-sacrifice in Slavic and many other traditions (probably Chinese too, am not an expert). The thing is, it is noble when it is a conscious choice for the greater good. I am not sure the people of Gaza or the cities that could potentially be nuked are conscious of the choice and their fate. What is definitely not present in Slavic culture is sacrificing others for your own good. Hence my reservations regarding global east bein a part of such a plan. This is not the way to solve issues in general. As you said, humans are not (entirely) animals. I also come from a deep feeling that human life is the greatest value there is.
There is no real honor or justice in sacrificing others, especially if they didn't know they were to be sacrificed. I agree with you. As for Gaza and others, I don't really know what is going on in there. IF the decision has been made to intentionally risk getting nuked then there are a number of ways the decision could have been rationalized. One dumb and straightforward way is to say "we have been selected by our people to provide for them but we can't do that without risking those people; this risk seems worthwhile".
Realization that martyrdom sentiment you brought here and in your previous articles might actually be the case sends cold shivers down my spine. But the more I think about it and the more I talk with people from that region, the more I realize that they are totally capable of this kind of thinking and action. Absolutely soul crushing perpective.
What makes you think Russia and China are down with the martyrdom plan? Especially considering that Iran covertly triggered the attack. This does not seem like a solution. The human lives cost is unimaginable.
Very good Lux. I share the same feelings.
To be honest... I can't use this as an analysis... But my personal opinion is that we are witnessing a giant chicken game between the East and the West. And that the East (Russia and China) is counting on a withdrawal of the United States from places they occupy worldwide to avoid a global disaster. And I also believe that this can go seriously wrong.
I do not support everything BRICS does. One need to keep it's own head working.
Exactly, it is in the interests of the rising powers to maintain peace. For the falling power its interests are in war before it is too weak, or as a murder suicider take everything down with it if it cant be in control.
Your analysis makes a lot of sense, Aleks. But from humanitarian point of view I sincerely hope that the East has some other plan in this game. There should be people in each block who realize that this is not the way forward.
I fully agree.
Doesn't seem like a solution to me either, rather like Palestinians will be, or already are used like proxies.
What a cruel world we live in!
We do...
You just need to rise above the atheist materialist sentiment and you too will realize that Man is not an animal or an individual but a creature meant to be part of something bigger. Self-sacrifice, including martyrdom but also in it's lesser forms, is a normal and natural part of human life that is actually what enables us to be where we are today. Civilization is impossible without "turning the other cheek". And civilized peoples fight through martyrdom! (Savages fight by ambushing their opponents thereby creating the possibility of not suffering any casualties whereas civilized folk fight in formations which guarrantie some casualties on your own side - and also necessitates that somebody take the front row where it's virtually certain they will get killed or wounded. This is impossible to pull off without a culture of martyrdom.)
> What makes you think Russia and China are down with the martyrdom plan?
Because the people who will do the dying are OK with the plan? That plus participation in the culture of martyrdom which is an obligatory prerequisite for civilization - as hinted above.
I agree that there is a notion of self-sacrifice in Slavic and many other traditions (probably Chinese too, am not an expert). The thing is, it is noble when it is a conscious choice for the greater good. I am not sure the people of Gaza or the cities that could potentially be nuked are conscious of the choice and their fate. What is definitely not present in Slavic culture is sacrificing others for your own good. Hence my reservations regarding global east bein a part of such a plan. This is not the way to solve issues in general. As you said, humans are not (entirely) animals. I also come from a deep feeling that human life is the greatest value there is.
There is no real honor or justice in sacrificing others, especially if they didn't know they were to be sacrificed. I agree with you. As for Gaza and others, I don't really know what is going on in there. IF the decision has been made to intentionally risk getting nuked then there are a number of ways the decision could have been rationalized. One dumb and straightforward way is to say "we have been selected by our people to provide for them but we can't do that without risking those people; this risk seems worthwhile".
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I dunno.